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Special Planning Commission Meeting
January 10, 2019
Minutes of a Special Meeting
Town of Los Altos Hills
PLANNING COMMISSION
Thursday, January 10, 2019, 7:00 PM
Council Chambers, 26379 Fremont Road, Los Altos Hills, CA
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1. ROLL CALL AND PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE
Present:
Absent:
Commissioner Patel, Commissioner Couperus, Commissioner Smith,
Commissioner Abraham, Chair Mandle
None
Staff: Planning Director Suzanne Avila, Principal Planner Steve Padovan, Planning
Technician Cody Einfalt
2. PRESENTATIONS FROM THE FLOOR
Chair Mandle opened Presentations from the Floor.
Seeing no one wishing to speak, she closed Presentations from the Floor.
3. PUBLIC HEARINGS
EX PARTE: Commissioner Smith said he spoke with Natalie Forood and Birgitta
Indaco. Commissioner Couperus said he spoke with Birgitta Indaco and Judy Nagy.
Commissioner Patel said he spoke with Birgitta Indaco and Natalie Forood.
Commissioner Abraham said he spoke with Natalie Forood. Chair Mandle said she
spoke with Nancy Couperus, Carol Gottlieb, Natalie Forood, Birgitta Indaco, and Kit
Gordon.
3.1 LANDS OF KLEIDON AND LI; 25380 Becky Lane; File #VAR18-0004; A
request for a Variance for a seven (7) foot high, solid wood fence in the rear yard
setback along the Moody Road frontage in conjunction with the construction of
a single-family residence. CEQA review: Categorical Exemption per Section
15303(e) - construction of a new fence. (Staff-Steve Padovan).
Chair Mandle read aloud the instructions for the public hearing and opened the
PUBLIC HEARING.
Steve Padovan, Principal Planner, presented the staff report. The Commission
asked questions and received responses.
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Commissioner Patel asked a question regarding the placement of other fences on
the property.
Mr. Padovan explained that there are other fences on the property, but the Town
has no records of their approval.
Commissioner Patel asked how the Town handles these types of situations,
specifically dealing with noncompliant fences.
Suzanne Avila, Planning Director, explained that the Town accepts homes that
were built prior to incorporation or when annexed as they stand. She said that
some of these homes may have had fences built legally under County
regulations that no longer comply to the Town's current fence ordinance.
She stated that enforcement is complaint-driven and staff does not drive around
looking for noncompliant structures.
Commissioner Smith asked how the proposed fence would interface with the
building code for pools.
Mr. Padovan explained the various ways that a pool can be fenced off to comply
with the California Building Code.
Commissioner Couperus asked when the current fence ordinance was enacted.
He stated that he was concerned that if the Commission allowed this variance, it
would set a precedent for future variance requests for existing nonconforming
fences wishing to be rebuilt.
Mr. Padovan stated he believes the fence ordinance was adopted in 2004. He
explained the process that staff uses to research nonconforming fences to check
their legality.
Commissioner Patel spoke to the code enforcement process of handling
nonconforming. He believes it is incorrect for the Town to wait for a complaint to
come in to initiate enforcement action when staff has discovered a non-
compliance during a project review.
Commissioner Abraham asked staff about the frequency of fences getting
approved for variances in the Town.
Director Avila talked about past fence variance requests that the Town approved.
She said that most of the approvals were granted for noise mitigation.
Chair Mandle opened the floor for public comment.
Stacey Olgado, project architect, spoke of the contours of the property and the
reasons for a taller fence. The Town only allows a four-foot fence in the location,
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so a variance is required. She said that at four-feet tall, the fence would not be
able to be seen from the house.
Commissioner Abraham asked for more clarification on the grade of the
property.
Ms. Olgado explained that if an individual was standing at the house and looking
towards the property line, a permitted four-foot fence would not be able to be seen
due to the downward slope of the grade.
Commissioner Patel asked Ms. Olgado why the variance request came separate
from the landscape screening proposal.
Ms. Olgado explained that the project is currently under construction and the
fence would improve security of the jobsite.
Commissioner Patel stated that it would have been a stronger proposal if the
variance request came with the landscape plan. He said that if he were to consider
approving the fence variance, he would like to see additional trees that could
screen the large fence.
Ms. Olgado said that there is intent to screen the fence on both sides. She added
that the fence would provide sound mitigation for the traffic along Moody Road.
Greg Loomis, neighbor, said he visited the site and in his opinion the proposed
fence would not be obtrusive to pedestrians on the street. He said that noise
mitigation and security are some of the many concerns for residents in the Town
and a taller fence would help mitigate both of those problems.
Carol Gottlieb, Los Altos Hills, stated that the Town was founded on the bases of
being an open community. She said that if the applicant wants a six-foot fence,
they could push back from the proposed location to be in conformance with the
fence ordinance.
Chair Mandle closed the PUBLIC HEARING.
Commissioner Abraham stated that he could not make the findings for the fence
variance. He stated that he would not approve a six or seven foot fence.
Commissioner Smith stated that he had no comment.
Commissioner Couperus spoke about fences and how they relate to sound
mitigation and security. He said that a four-foot fence closer to the main residence
would provide better sound mitigation than the seven foot fence in the location
that is proposed. He added that plants and trees are better for sound mitigation
than a fence. He stated hedges and trees also provide better security to burglars
trying to access a property.
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Chair Mandle called a 5-minute recess at 7:40 PM
The Commission reconvened at 7:45 PM
Commissioner Patel stated he had no comments to add.
Commissioner Mandle stated that she is agreement with her fellow
Commissioners. She said that fences are a poor solution to sound mitigation. The
applicant should follow the fence ordinance adopted by the Town. She explained
that the ordinance allows for variation in the types of fences permitted (i.e. open
style/ solid-face). She could not make the findings for the variance request.
MOTION MADE AND SECONDED: Commissioner Couperus moved to
deny the proposed fence height variance subject to the findings in Attachment 1.
The motion was seconded by Commissioner Abraham.
MOTION CARRIED: 5-0
AYES: Commissioner Patel, Commissioner Couperus,
Commissioner Smith, Commissioner Abraham, Chair
Mandle
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
ABSTAIN: None
3.2 LANDS OF TANEJA; 13685 La Paloma Road; File #434-17-ZP-SD; A request
for a Site Development Permit for landscape screening plans for a previously
approved single-family residence. CEQA review: Categorical Exemption per
Section 15304(b) - new gardening and landscaping. (Staff-Steve Padovan).
Chair Mandle opened the PUBLIC HEARING.
Steve Padovan, Principal Planner, presented the staff report. The Commission
asked questions and received responses.
Commissioner Abraham asked a question about the existing screening onsite
and whether specific vegetation on the plans were proposed to remain or be
removed. He said that redwood and pines trees raise concern for possible fire
danger and that the Town has stricter rules than the State when it comes to fire
protection. He asked if staff looked into the proposed screening from a Town
ordinance perspective.
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Mr. Padovan explained which trees were proposed to remain and explained the
Town's recommendation for creating a defensible space on a property.
Commissioner Abraham said he does not think the existing screening is in line
with current fire regulation. He stated that redwoods grow too large for residential
properties, use too much water, and cause a concern of potential fire hazards for
future land owners.
Mr. Padovan explained that the property is removing eucalyptus trees and dead
trees to create a defensible space between the vegetation and the house. He spoke
of redwood trees and the positive and negative aspects they bring when planted.
Commissioner Couperus asked about the proposed olive trees on the site.
Mr. Padovan clarified the number of trees that are proposed.
Commissioner Patel asked about the difference between the plan sets that were
submitted to Town. He said there was conflicting information and he wondered
which one was correct. Specifically, he asked staff about the height of the fence
proposed on the property line.
Mr. Padovan clarified that the proposed fence is four feet tall. He said that there
is a recommended condition that will limit the maximum height of the fence.
Commissioner Patel said he noticed that each entrance had two wall sconces. He
asked how may lights are allowed per entrance by Town code.
Director Avila stated that single doors are required to have one light per the
California Building Code and double doors can have two.
Commissioner Smith stated that the olive trees proposed will not grow high
enough to screen the house. He said that other types of trees, such as
redwoods, would do a better job to provide immediate screening to the residence.
Mr. Padovan explained that staff would not recommend redwoods due to their
size and water consumption.
Director Avila stated that redwoods require additional water because they are not
native to this area of California. She said that the goal is to incorporate plants that
have a low water usage.
Commission discussion ensued regarding staff’s recommendation of lighting and
proposed screening.
Chair Mandle opened the floor to public comment.
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Natalie Forood, General Contractor, stated that she shared the landscaping plan
with the neighbors and that it complies to all Town's requirements. She said that
sufficiently screening a property is a neighborhood effort and her project should
not all be held accountable for poor screening constructed on neighboring
properties. She said that her clients wanted to incorporate as many olive trees as
possible in the plans. She spoke of the neighborhood concern for her clients
backing out of the newly configured driveway. She explained that the private
roadway is owned by the Taneja’s and they have given all the neighbors access to
use that road over the years. She said the Taneja’s have just as much of a right to
use that driveway as anyone else. She spoke about the neighbors' water lines
and explained that her clients have offered to replace them with better piping and
include a tracing wire to help stop damage in the future. She said that she would
like the neighbors to stop trespassing on to the property.
Commissioner Patel asked about the additional wiring for lights being proposed
on the plans.
Ms. Forood clarified that the difference between the lights in the setback and the
lights on the house. She explained the extent of lights that would be visible from
the street.
Commissioner Abraham asked for more detail on the proposed lights. He asked
if the bulb would be shielded and if the glass in the light fixture would be frosted.
Ms. Forood explained the lighting specifications and said that she already had
them approved by the Planning Department prior to the meeting that evening.
Chair Mandle asked for clarification as to why there were four lights proposed in
the set back. Ms. Forood explained that two are lights for a column and two were
pathway lights.
Commissioner Abraham asked her for more detail into the pathway lights
proposed.
Ms. Forood explained the reasons why the home owners are asking for more
pathway lights leading up to the house.
Commissioner Patel said his concern was to provide immediate screening for the
new residence. He stated that smaller plants can take years to grow to their
desired height. He said that the olive trees would not provide adequate screening
for roughly five years and that the project should look into planting other types of
trees that will grow larger.
Director Avila stated that the Town does require trees of a 24-inch box size and
the applicant is proposing trees of a 36-inch box size.
Chair Mandle opened the floor to public comment.
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Tao Li, neighbor, said that she is concerned about screening. She said she would
like the screening to be sufficient enough to screen the second floor windows and
balconies. She agreed with the Commissioners that olive trees would not grow
fast enough.
Birgitta Indaco, neighbor, presented pictures showing the view from her house
before constructed started and the current conditions on site. She said that
redwoods would be the best option for screening purposes. She also had
concern about the amount of exterior lights because the olive trees would not
screen the lights. She requested that the Commission save the oak tree on the
property.
Don Mattson, neighbor, spoke about the broken water lines and the driveway
issues. He said he would like a turnaround installed on the property so that the
homeowners would not have to back out of the driveway.
Judy Nagy, neighbor, spoke about her concern of the active wildlife corridor on
in the neighborhood. She explained that the new residence should install a
pathway for the deer to pass through. She also spoke of the driveway and the
danger of backing out of the property.
Mark Krammer, neighbor, stated that there is a high amount of traffic in the
neighborhood and a back-out driveway is an accident waiting to happen.
Robert Mowat, landscape architect of the Lands of Lee, said that there is an
existing partnership with the Lands of Taneja for how to screen the two properties
adequately.
Carol Gottlieb, Environmental Design and Protection Committee, said that the
committee does not like that there is a walkway crossing the pathway. She said
that pathways should remain unobstructed. The Committee had concern about the
steepness of the driveway and recommended that there should be a railing
installed. She said that the Committee recommends Sequoia, Chinese Elms, or
Oak trees for the best screening of the house. Further, the Committee would like
to see a wildlife corridor on the property and that heritage oak tree should be
protected.
Ms. Forood responded to the comments made by the public. She explained that
she would like to see the Wangs’ screening plan (across the street neighbor) to see
how they are going to screen their property. She stated that the oak tree she
removed on the property was done legally with an approved permit from the
Planning Department. She spoke of her solutions to the broken water line problem
and ideas to decrease the danger of backing out of the driveway.
Commissioner Abraham asked where the previous driveway was located before
the new residence was built.
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Mr. Padovan clarified that the original driveway and new driveway are located
on the same street frontage.
Commissioner Mandle asked which water line was broken during the
construction.
Ms. Forood stated that it was the main water line.
Chair Mandle closed the PUBLIC HEARING.
Commissioner Abraham stated that he believes the applicant and staff have
tried their best to satisfy the neighbors. He said that any development along La
Paloma always raises unique concerns. He would not support planting redwood
trees because they use lots of water and grow to large sizes that can cause trouble
in the future for the property owner and their neighbors. He would like to see the
existing redwood trees on the property removed. The oak trees would be a better
choice for screening purposes. He expressed concern about the additional exterior
lights on the property and does not think they are necessary. He did not believe
the driveway is an issue.
Commissioner Patel said that when an applicant maxes out their floor area and
development area and then proposed a lot of screening, it causes problems. He
said that because the house has been maxed out there is no room for a driveway
turn around. Redwood trees take a lot of water, but they are one of the only trees
that will grow tall enough to screen the property. He explained that olive trees
will not complete the job. A railing near the driveway would be a good decision to
maintain safety for the current homeowners. He said that the Wang's property is
inadequately screened and should be fixed.
Commissioner Smith said he would be in favor or redwoods because they will
grow to a desirable height for this property. He added that if his fellow
Commissioners do not like redwoods they should consider evergreen trees to
achieve the desired screening.
Commissioner Couperus stated that one of the problems with development in
the Town is maxing out the development area, which limits the property in the
future. He spoke of redwoods and how they operate in certain terrain. He stated
that olive trees are inadequate to screen a two-story house and this house
needs larger trees to screen the house properly. This house has a lot of lights and
they must be screened, and the property needs a wildlife corridor for deer to pass.
Further, the air conditioners need to have sound mitigation because they are close
to the setback. Driveways which access roads at right angles require a larger line
of sight and the new driveway could cause problems in the future. Sconces will
light up the wall they are on and he is far more favorable to spotlights that aim
light towards the ground.
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Chair Mandle stated that this property is an example of why the Town's Fast
Track Guidelines need to be updated. It is the responsibility of the homeowner to
prove adequate screening of their own property and this project needs to be
sufficiently screened as soon as possible. She is not a fan of redwoods, but in this
circumstance, redwoods would be acceptable to screen the property. Even oak
trees are better than olive trees for screening purposes. She stated she cannot
approve more lights. She said she can currently count 12 exterior lights and that
the project is not consistent with the General Plan Policies. She does support the
railing idea for the driveway and a wildlife corridor of three feet wide for the deer.
She said that the air conditioner units will need to be screened for sound and
visual mitigation.
MOTION MADE AND SECONDED: Commissioner Patel moved to continue
the item to February 7, 2019 with the added conditions that the applicant provides
a three-foot wide wildlife corridor by moving the fence on the east side of the
property, installing taller trees (rather than olive trees) such as redwood trees,
using larger olive trees of a 48 inch box size and possibly reducing the number of
olive trees to four, providing sound mitigation for the air conditioner condensers,
removing all newly proposed lighting that was not approved with the building
permit for the new residence, and including the recommendations for screening as
provided by staff. The motion was seconded by Commissioner Couperus.
MOTION CARRIED: 5-0
AYES: Commissioner Patel, Commissioner Couperus,
Commissioner Smith, Commissioner Abraham, Chair
Mandle
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
ABSTAIN: None
3.3 LANDS OF BERINGER; 10850 West Loyola Road; File #CDP18 -0001; A
request for Conditional Development and Site Development Permits for a new
pool and a new driveway access for a previously approved reconstruction of an
existing residence. CEQA review: Categorical Exemption per Section 15303(e) -
construction of a limited number of new structures. (Staff-Steve Padovan).
Chair Mandle opened the PUBLIC HEARING.
Steve Padovan presented the staff report. He explained that staff does not support
the fire department's request for a fire truck turnaround due to the limit scope of
work for the project. Staff is in favor of an open space easement dedication.
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The Commission asked questions and received responses.
Commissioner Patel asked why the lights were only on one side of the driveway.
Mr. Padovan stated that it is because the driveway drops off on one side and the
lights are for being used to show where the drop starts.
Chair Mandle asked clarification on what easements are on the property and how
they related to the project. Staff clarified the easements.
Commissioner Patel asked about the existing and proposed fencing on the
property.
Mr. Padovan explained where the existing fencing is on the property and where
new fencing is proposed for the project.
Chair Mandle opened the floor to the applicant.
Randy Thueme, Landscape Architect, spoke about the open space easement
proposed on the property. He spoke of the existing site conditions and the intent
of the work that is proposed on the site. He stated that the intent behind the double
fencing was to keep deer out. He explained that due to Town's fence
ordinance, they could not build a six-foot tall fence near the property line. To fix
this issue, the applicant is proposing to build two, four-feet fences four feet apart.
He explained that parallel fences stop deer from jumping over. The overall project
has minimum impact to passing neighbors from the public right of way because
all the work is below grade from street level. The driveway lights could be
controlled by a switch only to be activated when needed.
Chair Mandle asked about three oak trees on the property and if the applicant has
been using good tree protection practices to protect their driplines.
Mr. Thueme stated that all issues with tree protection have been fixed.
Venessa Lam, neighbor, stated she has two concerns. She said she would like to
know the intention for the proposed swimming pool. She said she was concerned
about large amounts of noise and light that may come from the pool and wanted
to know how the owner planned to mitigate these potential nuisances. She stated
she was also concerned how long the construction would last.
Carol Gottlieb, Environmental Design and Protection Committee, said that the
Committee would not like to see european sage planted under any of the oak
trees. She explained that wetland plants do not function well under oak trees.
Mr. Thueme spoke of a property line misunderstanding between the neighbors
and explained the intention of the pool.
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Chair Mandle closed the PUBLIC HEARING.
Commissioner Patel said that this was a simple project and that he did not have
too many concerns. He said generally the Town does not allow upward directed
lights and he would be in favor of removing them from the project. He said that
he agrees with staff that the fire truck turnaround should not be required for the
scope of the proposed work. He said that the 333-elevation line is an okay line to
use for the open space easement dedication.
Commissioner Abraham stated that this is a wonderful project updating an older
house and he supports the proposed work. He said that the up lighting is a small
concern but that it does not seem a large enough issue to chase. He agreed with
the 333-contour line for the easement dedication.
Commissioner Smith asked a question regarding the foundation support that
would be needed for the pool. He had concerns about the steepness of the lot and
how the pool would be located into the hillside.
Mr. Padovan explained the review that was conducted by the Town's
geotechnical consultant and the recommendation was included in the conditions
of approval.
Commissioner Couperus spoke in approval of the project. He said that the lot is
substandard and he was happy the floor area and development area was being
reduced. He agrees that the fire department turnaround was unnecessary.
Chair Mandle said she visited the property and agrees with her fellow
Commissioners.
Commissioner Patel stated that he loved the idea of using double fencing to keep
animal wildlife out of a property.
Mr. Padovan said that a row of fencing followed by a row of vegetation, such as
hedges, can work just as effectively.
Chair Mandle said she agrees with the staff's recommendations. She would like
to see the up lights removed from the plans. She said that the Town does have a
noise ordinance that the neighbors can use if the pool ends up becoming a sound
issue in the future.
MOTION MADE AND SECONDED: Commissioner Abraham moved to
make the findings in Attachment 1 and approve the Conditional Development and
Site Development Permits for a relocated driveway and new pool subject to the
recommended conditions in Attachment 2. The motion was seconded by
Commissioner Smith.
MOTION CARRIED: 5-0
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AYES: Commissioner Patel, Commissioner Couperus, Commissioner
Smith, Commissioner Abraham, Chair Mandle
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
ABSTAIN: None
4. OLD BUSINESS – None
5. NEW BUSINESS
5.1 PC recommendation to City Council regarding Fire Department requirements
Commissioner Couperus spoke of the growing concern in the Planning
Commission regarding the fire department's requirements for driveway
improvements. He said that he wrote a draft letter to the City Council explaining
the problems the Commission is facing. He asked his fellow Commissioners if
they had any comments on the letter.
Chair Mandle stated she helped Commissioner Couperus write the letter and
she wants it to be sent to the City Council.
Commissioner Patel stated that he approves of the letter and thinks it a good start
to handling the issue.
Commissioner Smith said he was curious of how many homes are potentially
affected by the fire department's requirements.
Commissioner Couperus stated that he counted 18 homes on a single road in
Town that could be affected by the fire department requirement. He spoke about
the difference between public and private roads and how they could be affected
by this regulation.
Commissioner Abraham stated that he was in favor of the letter. He said that
he would suggest a reconvening of the Town's building code subcommittee to
handle issues like this when they arise.
MOTION MADE AND SECONDED: Commissioner Couperus moved to
send the letter to the City Council signed by all the Commissioners. The motion
was seconded by Commissioner Smith.
MOTION CARRIED: 5-0
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AYES: Commissioner Patel, Commissioner Couperus, Commissioner
Smith, Commissioner Abraham, Chair Mandle
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
ABSTAIN: None
5.2 Appoint Commissioner to Subdivision Committee for new application
Director Avila introduced the subdivision application to the commission.
Chair Mandle stated she would like to be the Commissioner on the subdivision.
Chair Mandle then discussed the quarterly meeting that occurred with the Planning
Staff. She said she learned the four ways people can report violations around Town. She
explained that people can call in a violation over the phone, come into town hall and
report the violation in person, or submit the violation in either of Town’s two systems:
See-Click-Fix or eTRAKiT.
Commissioner Patel said there should be a discussion on how issues are reported and
enforced around Town.
6. REPORTS FROM THE CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS
6.1 Planning Commission Representative for December 13 - Commissioner Couperus
Commissioner Couperus reported on the City Council meeting.
6.2 Planning Commission Representative for January 31 - Commissioner Patel
6.3 Planning Commission Representative for February 21 - Commissioner Smith
6.4 Planning Commission Representative for March 21 - Chair Mandle
6.5 Planning Commission Representative for April 18 - Commissioner Abraham
7. APPROVAL OF MINUTES
7.1 Approval of December 6, 2018 - Regular Meeting Minutes
Commissioner Abraham said that he would like to see more detail in the
minutes.
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MOTION MADE AND SECONDED: Commissioner Couperus moved to
approve the December 6, 2018 Regular Meeting Minutes as corrected. The
motion was seconded by Chair Mandle.
MOTION CARRIED: 4-0-1
AYES: Commissioner Patel, Commissioner Couperus, Commissioner
Smith, Chair Mandle
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
ABSTAIN: Commissioner Abraham
8. REPORTS FROM SITE DEVELOPMENT MEETINGS - January 8
8.1 LANDS OF ZOU AND SU; 13112 Maple Leaf Drive; File #SD18-0038; A
request for a Site Development Permit for landscape screening associated with a
previously approved single-family residence. CEQA review: Categorical
Exemption per Section 15304(b) - new gardening and landscaping. (Staff-Dylan
Parker).
8.2 LANDS OF FIVE SEASONS PARTNERS, LLC; 26140 Robb Road; File #SD18 -
0037; A request for a Site Development Permit for landscape screening for a
previously approved residence; CEQA review: Categorical Exemption per Section
15304(b) - New gardening or landscaping. (Staff - Jeremy Loh)
9. REPORTS FROM FAST TRACK MEETINGS - None
10. ADJOURNMENT
The meeting adjourned at 10:57 PM.
Respectfully Submitted,
Cody Einfalt
Planning Technician
The minutes of the January 10th Special Planning Commission Meeting were approved as
corrected at the February 7, 2019 Regular Planning Commission Meeting.