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May 4, 2000
Town of Los Altos Hills
City Council Regular Meeting
Thursday, May 4, 2000, 6:00 P.M.
Council Chambers, 26379 Fremont Road
1. CALL TO ORDER AND ROLL CALL
Mayor Dauber called the Regular Meeting of the City Council to order at 6:00 p.m. in the
Council Chambers at Town Hall.
Present: Mayor Dauber and Councilmembers Casey, Cheng, Finn and
Johnson
Absent: None
Staff: City Manager Mark Miller, City Attorney Sandy Sloan, Planning
• Director Curtis Williams, Public Works Manager Jim Rasp and
Pat Dowd, City Clerk
Press: Clyde Noel, Los Altos Town Crier
MOTION SECONDED AND CARRIED: Moved by Casey, seconded by Finn and passed
unanimously to add an urgency item to the agenda for a Closed Session to discuss the
performance evaluation of the City Manager, the hiring of a Planning Director and a possible
lawsuit involving the Town.
Dauber reminded everyone of the Great CHAC Duck Race being put on May 6t' by the
Community Health Awareness Council. This was an excellent organization that helped many
through difficult times and Council urged everyone to support this major fundraiser for the
organization.
2. APPOINTMENTS AND PRESENTATIONS
2.1 Presentation by Sun Country Cable
David Kinley, President — Sun Country Cable, reported that the owners of Sun Country Cable,
Pacific Sun Cable Partners, were in the process of selling Sun Country as part of the sale of all of
its assets. USA Media had purchased the other cable systems, located primarily on Oregon and
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Washington. The deadline for accepting bids had been extended to allow conversations to take
place at an upcoming conference in New Orleans. Mr. Kinley apologized to the Council for any
inconvenience. He noted that they had to turn the system over to someone who had the financial
capability to expand and upgrade the cable system. In response to comments by Council on
complaints received regarding service, Mr. Kinley stated that they were indeed still responsible
for maintaining the service and were responding to service requests. He asked Council to
forward to his attention the names and phone numbers of anyone filing a complaint concerning
cable services.
3. PLANNING COMMISSION REPORT
The Planning Director reported on the following application discussed at the 4/26/00 Planning
Commission Meeting: Lands of Birnbaum, 27760 Edgerton Road: request for a site development
permit modification requesting deletion of a condition of approval which required the installation
of a IIB path adjacent to Edgerton Road — directed staff to work with applicant and Pathway
Committee to determine location of path. In addition an ordinance was discussed prohibiting
irregularly shaped lots and this matter was scheduled to be heard by the City Council at a public
hearing on June 1St. An ordinance on constrained lots was also discussed and the Planning
Director asked for direction on when Council wanted to schedule this public hearing and what
notification they wanted done.
MOTION SECONDED AND CARRIED: Moved by Casey, seconded by Finn and passed
unanimously to schedule a public hearing on the ordinance concerning constrained lots for the
• June 15th Council Meeting, to send a notice to all residents, to include a notice in the Town
Newsletter and to send press releases to both the Civic Association and the Hills 2000. It was
further agreed that the Planning Director would email a copy of the proposed notice to the
Council for comment.
4. CONSENT CALENDAR
Items Removed: 4.1 —3/16/00 and 4/6/00 minutes (Casey), 4.3 and 4.6 (request from applicants
to continue to next meeting), 4.5 (Dauber) and 4.6 (removed from agenda—request withdrawn)
MOTION SECONDED AND CARRIED: Moved by Casey, seconded by Finn and passed
unanimously to approve the balance of the Consent Calendar, specifically:
4.1 Approved Minutes: March 22, 2000 (Special Meeting)
March 31, 2000 (Special Meeting)
4.2 Accepted Investment Report for the Quarter ended 3/31/00
4.4 Approved request for a lot line adjustment, 26401 and 26411 Eshner Court,
Lands of LeFevre and Yanez
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Items Removed:
4.1 Approval of Minutes: March 16, 2000 (Regular Meeting)
April 6, 2000 (Regular Meeting)
MOTION SECONDED AND CARRIED: Moved by Finn, seconded by Dauber and passed by
the following roll call vote to approve the minutes of the March 16, 2000 City Council Meeting
with the following corrections: page 2, Item 4.1, change the word `need' to `should' in the last
sentence; and on page 9, Item 10, add the following to Dauber's comments: ". . .working on this
issue and the County had resolved the issues with the unions."
AYES: Mayor Dauber and Councilmembers Casey, Finn and Johnson
NOES: None
ABSTAIN: Councilmember Cheng
MOTION SECONDED AND CARRIED: Moved by Finn, seconded by Dauber and passed by
the following roll call vote to approve the minutes of the April 6, 2000 City Council Meeting
with the following corrections: page 3, Item 6.1, motion made by Cheng not Casey, page 4, Les
Earnest referred to the lift station on O'Keefe not Elena, and page 5, third paragraph, insert the
following sentence: "Finn and Cheng stated their preference that a separate committee on
recreation be formed and its charges be drafted by Cheng and brought to the next Council
meeting for review."
• AYES: Mayor Dauber and Councilmember Cheng and Finn
NOES: None
ABSTAIN: Councilmembers Casey and Johnson
4.5 Approval of site development permit for new residence and pool, Lands of
Owen Companies, 26208 Maurer Lane (Fast Track)
Dauber noted that the present house was being torn down and she questioned the recycling of the
demolition materials. Staff noted that a condition of approval was included that addressed the
recycling of such materials.
Betsy Bertram, 11854 Page Mill Road, commented that there were organizations that would take
materials that the Los Altos Garbage Company would not take and she would get this
information to the Planning Director. The Public Works Manager noted that he had handouts
available from the Integrated Waste Management Group on recyclable materials.
-MOTION SECONDED AND CARRIED: Moved by Dauber, seconded by Casey and passed
unanimously to approve a site development permit for a new residence and pool for Lands of
Owen Companies, 26208 Maurer Lane (Fast Track)
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5. UNFINISHED BUSINESS
5.1 Update on Proposal for Council agreement to accept a proposed sanitary sewer
lift station as public
The City Manager gave an oral report noting that the consultant had been hired to work on
getting the information on this issue Council had requested but to date a written report had not
been received. Council requested a complete report on this issue at the next meeting including
any difficulties with lift stations presently in place. Dauber suggested that the neighbors of the
current lift stations be asked to comment on any problems, etc.
5.2 Statement of Council Policy on Roadside Paths
Casey believed that obtaining paths in Town on a piecemeal basis was wasteful and a better use
of the Town's resources would be to obtain in lieu fees and put in the entire path at one time.
She also believed it was the responsibility of the Town to maintain its paths. Casey referred to
the Quarry Subdivision as a clear case of the path policy making no sense. The paths that were
required of the subdivision and put in were never used and now as the homes were being built the
paths were being replaced. Finn suggested giving residents the option of putting in the path if
they wanted to rather than paying the in lieu fee. Casey and Cheng did not agree with giving the
option, referring to the problem of maintainence of the paths once they were constructed. Finn
• also suggested looking at the Town's main arteries as priorities and committing the budget to
getting a certain number of paths done a year. Council agreed that the in lieu fee at the present
level of$7 per linear foot of road frontage was too low and needed to be increased.
Betsy Bertram, 11854 Page Mill Road, agreed that paths on the entire street should be in place
before the path was put in and in lieu fees should be obtained. She further commented that
easements should be obtained however so that the Town would have the option when the path
was needed.
Alan Goldsoble, Miranda Road, supported organized attainment of paths.
Nancy Ewald, 26131 Altadena, recommended raising the in lieu fees.
Ginger Summit, 13390 Lenox Way, suggested getting in lieu fees from those who would not be
getting a path on their side of the street. She felt this was a fairness issue. Also, getting the paths
and putting them in when available acted as place markers. If it was not done this way then
residents quite possibly would put in landscaping which would have to be removed when a path
was put in later. She did not think this would be well received.
Scott Vanderlip, 13851 Fremont Pines Lane, recommended continuing with the policy in place.
He believed it was a safety issue in that one could walk on the paths at least part of the time and
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Mr. Ewald, 26131 Altadena, did not think this issue could be addressed unless Council agreed to
commit the money necessary to put the paths in and maintain them and to accept the fact that
they will never get 100% compliance.
Sandy Humphries, 26238 Fremont Road, stated that the maintenance of the current paths needed
to be much better. She also requested that Council hold a public hearing on this matter before
any decision was made.
Carol Gottlieb, 24290 Summerhill, noted that her area of Town did not get any maintenance done
on their paths and she believed that all areas in Town should be treated equitably.
MOTION SECONDED AND CARRIED: Moved by Dauber, seconded by Casey and passed
unanimously to agendize for the 5/18/00 Council Meeting a more accurate report on what the in
lieu fees should be to adequately cover costs; to schedule a public hearing on this issue; and to
allow applicants to decide if they want to put in paths or pay an in lieu fee while Council is
deciding what changes to make to this policy.
5.3 Consideration of formation of new standing committee on recreational programs
in Town of Los Altos Hills
Casey, Cheng and Finn supported the establishment of a separate recreation committee and
appointing Patty Radlo, Rebecca Hickman and Jane Kawasaki as members. Dauber supported
• the establishment of a separate committee but objected to making appointments at this meeting
rather than going through the process of advertising for members. She supported this ad hoc
committee of parents to continue working with the Pathways Committee on their summer
programs while a new separate committee was being established.
Patty Radlo, Rebecca Hickman and Jane Kawasaki each addressed the Council concerning the
programs they had described at the last Council Meeting for summer recreation programs in the
Town. While suggesting that they move forward at this time as an ad hoc committee on
recreation issues, they agreed to accept official appointment to a newly established committee so
that their planned programs could move forward.
Council noted that they had agreed at the last meeting to provide the liability insurance for these
events, contribute $1,500 for start up expenses and establish a new recreation committee.
Scott Vanderlip and Diane Barrager, Co-Chairmen of the Pathways Committee thanked the
Council for their interest in recreation programs. They recommended continuing these recreation
programs under the umbrella of the Pathways Recreation and Parks Committee at this time and
evaluating the recreation programs. They felt it was a duplication of efforts at this time to stop
and establish a separate recreation committee.
Betsy Bertram, 11854 Page Mill Road, commented that the Town was a rural, agriculture zoned
community and it made sense for these programs to be a part of the Pathways Recreation and
Parks Committee. She also suggested the involvement of 4-H programs.
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• Taylor Goldsobel, 14415 Miranda Ct. commented that the formation of a new recreation
committee seemed like a great idea and she did not understand why the Pathways Recreation and
Parks Committee did not agree.
Evan Wythe, 13828 Moon Lane, suggested clearly defining the boundaries of these two
committees.
MOTION SECONDED AND CARRIED: Moved by Finn, seconded by Casey and passed by the
following roll call vote to establish a Recreation and Parks Committee that shall consist of a
minimum of three and maximum of seven members. The committee, whose members should be
parents, shall serve as an advisory body to the Council on matters related to year round
recreational programs and activities. All the programs will be approved by the City Council. The
committee will work with the Board of Westwind Barn and Byrne Preserve on recreational
activities.
AYES: Mayor Pro Tem Finn and Councilmembers Casey, Cheng and Johnson
NOES: Mayor Dauber
Dauber objected to forming this committee in such a prescriptive manner.
MOTION SECONDED AND CARRIED: Moved by Finn, seconded by Casey and passed by
unanimously to appoint Patty Radlo, Rebecca Hickman and Jane Kawasaki to the Recreation and
• Parks Committee for four year terms.
MOTION SECONDED AND CARRIED: Moved by Finn, seconded by Casey and passed by the
following roll call vote to modify the description and charges of the Pathways Recreation and
Parks Committee as follows: delete reference to recreation and parks; delete the following phrase
in section (d)(i): including whenever feasible, residents involved in recreational activities and
orgranizations and school parents associations; delete section (d)(g) and delete the word
`parklands' from section(d)(i).
AYES: Mayor Pro Tem Finn and Councilmembers Casey, Cheng and Johnson
NOES: Mayor Dauber
Dauber disagreed with deleting parks from this committee. She believed it was too much to add
parks to the new recreation committee.
5.4 Discussion of status of ownership of Almaden Court
The following residents addressed the Council with their request for the Town to accept Almaden
Court as a public street and furthermore for the Town to repair the street: Joe Arnold, 26951
Alamaden Court, Greg McCandless, 26777 Almaden Court, Rudy Cazanjian, 26920 Almaden
Court, Adrian and Claire Mandel, 26929 Almaden Court and Paul Stashower, 26993 Alamden
Court. They referred to the damage done to the road as a result of the Liu project and the large
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. number of trucks that removed dirt from the Liu property. They strongly believed that the
damage to their road was a direct result of this project and believed it was the Town's
responsibility to repair this damage. They did not agree with the City Engineer's report that in
his opinion the damage that had been done by the Liu project had been repaired and that
Almaden Court had experienced groundwater problems before the Liu project. The City
Engineer furthermore did not believe a case could be made that construction issues related to the
Liu project resulted in special circumstances which were necessary for the Town to undertake the
repairs at this time.
Council commented that the Town might consider accepting responsibility for some of the
damage caused by the Liu project but acknowledge that some of the road damage was the result
of normal wear and tear over 35 years. The project should be one of shared costs.
PASSED BY CONSENSUS: To continue this item directing staff to bring back a report on the
costs involved to bring Almaden Court up to accepted standards and to report on the percentage
of costs related to the truck traffic from the Liu project.
6. NEW BUSINESS
6.1 Presentation by residents of Mora Drive of a Mora Drive Sewer Extension Request
Mr. Hal Feeney addressed the Council on behalf of the residents on Mora Drive who were
• requesting a sewer extension. He noted that a group of about 30 neighbors had formed a
neighborhood committee with the purpose of installing a sewer line. Presently they were
all on septic systems which were in varying stages of disrepair. The participating neighbors
would privately fund this project. They were before the Council because this area was in
the Town's Sphere of Influence and Urban Service Area. They were proposing to connect
to an existing sewer line in Los Altos and at the connection point the sewer line was in the
County. The County Local Agency Formation Commission,the organization which would
be considering this application,had indicated that it would be helpful if the Town
acknowledged that it might at some time in the future be willing to annex this area.
Mr. Enrique Klein also addressed the Council on this issue stating that they would be
preparing all the necessary documents and would pay all Town expenses related to this
request.
MOTION SECONDED AND CARRIED: Moved by Johnson, seconded by Casey and
passed by the following roll call vote to approve the request to support an out-of-agency
proposal to LAFCO on behalf of the Mora Drive Sewer Project with the statement that the
Town had no plans to annex this area at the present time but may sometime in the future.
In addition Council stated that all expenses related to this application would be paid by the
applicant and they would also prepare all the paperwork thus requiring minimal staff review
time.
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AYES: Mayor Pro Tem Finn and Councilmembers Casey, Cheng and Johnson
NOES: Mayor Dauber
Dauber stated that she voted no because she believed this procedure violated LAFCO
policy and furthermore the Town's staff had other priorities rather than serving County
residents.
6.2 Council Appointments to Committees, Sub-Committees and Outside Agencies
PASSED BY CONSENSUS: To approve the following appointments to Committees, Sub-
Committees and Outside Agencies:
Committee Liaison
Community Relations Emily Cheng
Environmental Design and Protection Steve Finn
Finance Elayne Dauber
Pathways, Recreation and Parks Toni Casey
Safety Bob Johnson
Utility and Information Systems Committee Toni Casey and Steve Finn
Youth Commissioner Mayor
Exhibit Curator Mayor
• Town Historian Mayor
Volunteer Awards Steve Finn
Appointments to Outside Agencies
ABAG Emily Cheng
Elayne Dauber (alternate)
Community Health Awareness Council Rory Kaplan
(CHAC)
City Selection Mayor
Emergency Preparedness Council Mayor
League of California Cities -Peninsula Elayne Dauber
Division
Los Altos Hills County Fire Protection District Bob Johnson
Commission Sid Hubbard
Los Altos Senior Coordinating Council Ramona Chown
North County Library Authority Elayne Dauber
Dottie Harrison-Brown
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• Joint Powers Authority Library Board Elayne Dauber
Valley Transportation Authority Policy
Advisory Board Emily Cheng
Santa Clara County Library Commission Barbara Lamparter
Dottie Harrison Brown
Santa Clara Valley Water Commission Elayne Dauber
Santa Clara Valley Water District Elayne Dauber
Northwest Flood Control Advisory Jim Rasp (alternate)
Committee
Santa Clara County Cities Toni Casey
Association Elayne Dauber(alternate)
Santa Clara County Cities Toni Casey
Association Legislative Task Force
Santa Clara County Housing and Community Gloria Shiff
Development Citizens Advisory Committee
• Joint Venture Silicon Valley Network Toni Casey
Council on Tax and Fiscal Policy
City/Schools Breakfast Forum Peggy Esber
Bicycle Advisory Committee, Santa Clara Les Earnest
County Transportation Authority
Los Altos Sister Cities Bill Sun
General Plan Committee To be determined/not
currently active
Council Sub-Committees:
Newsletter Elayne Dauber
Bob Johnson
Solid Waste Toni Casey
Steve Finn
Website Bob Johnson
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Review of Design Guidelines Booklet Toni Casey
Elayne Dauber
7. REPORTS FROM COMMITTEES, SUB-COMMITTEES, AND COUNCILMEMBERS
ON OUTSIDE AGENCIES
7.1 Safety Committee
7.1.1 Request for an increase in committee membership from seven to eight
MOTION SECONDED AND CARRIED: Moved by Casey, seconded by Finn and passed
unanimously to approve the request to increase in the membership of the Safety Committee from
seven to eight.
7.1.2 Request for direction to proceed with conducting research on neighboring
emergency preparedness programs
PASSED BY CONSENSUS: To authorize the Safety Committee to proceed with conducting
research on neighboring emergency preparedness programs.
7.2 Pathways Committee
• Scott Vanderlip, Co-Chairman of the Pathways Committee, referred to the upcoming Town
Newsletter and asked that a copy of the recreation guide and a copy of the Town's pathway map
be included with this newsletter.
Council noted this request was not on the agenda and agreed to add it as an urgency item.
MOTION SECONDED AND CARRIED: Moved by Casey, seconded by Finn and passed
unanimously to add the request from the Pathways Committee requesting that a copy of the
recreation guide and a copy of the Town's pathway map be included with this newsletter to the
agenda as an urgency item.
PASSED BY CONSENSUS: To authorize mailing a copy of the Town's pathway map (full size
if possible) with the newsletter and to authorize including with the newsletter an article and guide
on recreation opportunities in the Town. The article was modified somewhat to delete references
to the Pathways Parks and Recreation Committee and to refer instead to the Pathways Committee
and the newly established Recreation and Parks Committee.
8. STAFF REPORTS
8.1 City Manager
8.1.1 Tentative Council Budget Workshop scheduled for Friday, May 26th
10:00 a.m. to noon
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PASSED BY CONSENSUS: To schedule a Budget Study Session for 4:30 p.m. on
Thursday, June 1St
8.2 City Attorney
8.3 City Clerk
8.3.1 Report on Council Correspondence
9. COUNCIL-INITIATED ITEMS
9.1 Restatement of Council Policy on Planning Commissioners speaking on applications
at Council Meetings (Councilmember Casey)
PASSED BY CONSENSUS: To restate the policy adopted on November 20, 1996 stating that
Planning Commissioners should not speak at Council Meetings as Planning Commissioners. If
they wanted, they could identify themselves as a resident and speak to an application. However,
it was the preference of the Council that unless they had stepped down from the discussion at the
Planning Commission,they not speak at Council Meetings on a particular issue.
9.2 Bay Area Water Users Association Symposium(Councilmember Cheng)
Cheng reported on a 4/14/00 meeting she had attended at which the Water Supply Master Plan
• was discussed. She noted that this symposium was sponsored by the San Francisco Bay Area
Water Users Association and it was hoped that the Town would support this agency's work.
Cheng noted that she would keep Council advised of ongoing reports on this subject.
9.3 City Action Days—Sacramento (Councilmember Casey)
Casey requested authorization to attend a two day session in Sacramento as part of her
participation on the Santa Clara County Cities Association Legislative Task Force. Council
suggested that the Cities Association would probably pay the expenses but if they-did not the
Town would for Councilmember Casey to attend these sessions.
10. PRESENTATIONS FROM THE FLOOR
Betsy Bertram, 11854 Page Mill Road, noted that a mural done by students at Bullis School was
on display in downtown Los Altos. She believed that these students should be recognized by the
Council since Bullis was in Los Altos Hills and that the mural should be on display in the Town.
John Harpoothian, 26435 Anacapa, recommended that the Town broadcast their Council
Meetings on the local FM station at Foothill College (89.7). He understood this could be
implemented in one to two months. This was referred to the Utility and Information Systems
Committee.
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• Alan Goldsobel, 14415 Miranda Court, raised the issue of deposits in the amount of
approximately $9,000 being held by the Town on his projects. He first questioned a $2,500
deposit for damage done to the road when in fact this road was going to be repaved by the Town
anyway as a part of one of its projects. Secondly, he questioned a $4,000 deposit for a path in
front of his property. On his street three out of thirteen homes had paths. He stated he would be
glad to put in this path if it went someplace. He believed that path system in Town needed to be
addressed in a more orderly fashion.
Dr. Bob Rutner, 10632 Magdalena, referred to a sewer line project he was working on and asked
for clarification of the permit fees being required by the Town. He believed the fees were
excessively high for a project that he was doing
Council agreed that staff would bring reports on both of these issues to the May 18th Council
Meeting.
Cyrous Gheyri, 27400 Elena Road, criticized staff for the amount of time it had taken to work on
his project. He stated that the Planning Director had imposed unfair and prejudiced requirements
on his project and that new conditions were imposed after his project had been approved. Mr.
Gheyri stated that he would sue the Town if he encountered any more obstacles with his project.
PASSED BY CONSENSUS: Council directed Cheng and Finn to review the file on Mr. Gheyri's
application and to work with staff and Mr. Gheyri toward resolving this issue and bring a report
back to Council.
• Luis Yanez, 26879 Moody Road, referred to extending a sewer line on his street and he was
requesting information from the Town on what costs would be involved so he could discuss it
with his neighbors. It was agreed the City Manager would send Mr. Yanez this information.
Sylvia Leung, member of the Community Relations Committee, reminded everyone to come to
the Spring Picnic on May 21St
11. PUBLIC HEARINGS
11.1 Request for a conditional use permit review for existing construction equipment and
vehicle storage yard at 12060 Elsie Way,Lands of Taaffe
MOTION SECONDED AND CARRIED: Moved by Johnson, seconded by Casey and passed
unanimously to find that the applicant was in substantial compliance with the conditions of
approval for a conditional use permit for existing construction equipment and vehicle storage
yard for Lands of Taaffe at 12060 Elsie Way, with the deletion of the section in condition #6
requiring the applicant to install permanent toilet facilities.
11.2 Request to subdivide a 2.27 acre parcel into two lots and a proposed negative
declaration, 14350 Manuella Road, Lands of Barth
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Susan Roberts, Giuliani & Kull, stated, in response to an inquiry from Casey, that a topographic
survey had already been done on this project and it did not appear that any additional survey
work would need to be done.
Dauber inquired about the trees on the property and it was determined that this was a site
development issue. Dauber also asked about the drainage from Lot 2 exiting onto Lot 1.
PASSED BY CONSENSUS: To amend condition of approval#19 to read as follows: "Access to
Lot 2 from Manuella Road shall be prohibited." and to add a condition stating that "The energy
dissipater for the approved residence on Lot 1 shall be relocated to avoid impacts on Lot 2, to
the satisfaction of the City Engineer,prior to issuance of a building permit for Lot L"
MOTION SECONDED AND CARRIED: Moved by Johnson, seconded by Finn and passed
unanimously to adopt the proposed negative declaration and approve the request for a two lot
subdivision of a 2.27 acre parcel for Lands of Barth at 14350 Manuella Road, based on the
findings as determined by the Planning Commission and the conditions of approval as
recommended by the Planning Commission and amended by Council.
12. CLOSED SESSION: PURSUANT TO GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 54957:
12.1 Public Employee Performance Evaluation—City Manager
12.2 Public Employment—Planning Director
• The City Council adjourned to a Closed Session regarding personnel at 11:40 p.m. and
reconvened at 12:50 a.m. Council returned to open session to report, if necessary, any actions
taken.
The City Attorney reported that the Council took the following action:
Mayor Pro Finn and Councilmember Casey would be interviewing the final two candidates for
the Planning Director position.
13. ADJOURNMENT
There being no further new or old business to discuss, the City Council Meeting was
adjourned at 1:00 a.m.
Respectfully submitted,
Patricia Dowd
City Clerk
• The minutes of the May 4, 2000 City Council Meeting were approved at the May 18,
2000 Regular City Council Meeting.
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