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HomeMy WebLinkAbout07/08/1992APPROVED Minutes of a Regular Meeting 6r Town of Los Altos Hills PLANNING COMMISSION Wednesday, July 8 1992, 7:30 P.M. Council Chambers, 26379 Fremont Road cc: Cassettes #12-92 (3) Planning Commission meeting was called to order at 7:35 p.m. in the Council Chambers at Town Hall. Present: Commissioners Cheng, Comiso, Ellinger, Pahl, Schreiner, Simmu & Stutz Absent: None Staff: Linda Niles, Town Planner; Lani Lonberger, Planning Secretary 2. PRESENTATIONS FROM THE FLOOR Derek Van Alstine, 3837 Glen Haven Road, Soquel, CA , designer, representing Jim and Lea Sandman, currently has a remodel under construction on Purissima Road. At the time of application, they had to scale back the plans in order to fit the eaves in setback. He was following the new setback ordinance which they were hoping would be acted upon in time for them to be able to put eaves in the setback. That has not happened. Derek spoke to Sid Hubbard who suggested talking to Ms. Niles to see if it were possible to obtain a minor variance in order to project eaves in setback. Ms. Niles suggested talking to the Planning Commission to give her direction as to whether it would be possible to grant a minor variance. Commissioner Stutz suggested putting item on next agenda. Commissioner Comiso asked Derek if he had read the proposed ordinance or if he could read the proposed ordinance. Derek stated he had read the draft and felt it was acceptable. Commissioner Comiso explained both bodies, Planning Commission and City Council agreed and now its just working out the wording. Commissioner Pahl introduced two new Commissioners, Schreiner and Sinunu, and heard nominations for Chair and Vice Chair. Planning Commission Minutes APPROVED July 8, 1992 Page 2 MOTION SECONDED AND PASSED: Motion by Comiso and seconded by Cheng and passed unanimously nominating Commissioner Pahl to Chair. MOTION SECONDED AND PASSED: Motion by Stutz and seconded by Cheng and passed unanimously nominating Commissioner Comiso to Vice Chair. 3. CONSENT CALENDAR 3.1 LANDS OF POLSTER, 25564 Willow Pond Lane: A request for a Site Development Permit for an Addition, Remodel. Ms. Niles introduced this item stating the applicant is proposing to add a new master bedroom and add additional square footage onto two existing bedrooms. The addition is an increase of 946 sq. ft. The project has been designed to match the existing one story house and will be one story as well. The exterior materials will match the existing materials. The maximum height is also proposed to match the existing dwelling at 11'8". A landscape plan will be required to be submitted prior to issuance of occupancy for the unit. The existing floor area on site is 4,497 sq. ft. The project will increase the floor area by 946 sq. ft. for a total of 5,443 sq. ft. which is below the MFA by 383 sq. ft. The `, development area on the site is 11,447 sq. ft. The project will increase the development area by 946 sq. ft.. for a total of 12,393 sq. ft. which is below the MDA by 1,903 sq. ft. The project has been designed to blend in with the existing surroundings and to match the existing home. No views currently existing for surrounding properties are being blocked. The project has also been designed in conformance with the Town's Zoning Code and Site Development standards, and staff is recommending approval with the conditions set forth in the recommended conditions of approval. MOTION SECONDED AND PASSED: Motion by Stutz and seconded by Comiso to approve the Site Development permit for an addition and remodel with the Staff recommended conditions. AYES: Chairman Pahl, Commissioners Cheng, Comiso, Ellinger, Sinunu, Schreiner & Stutz NOES: None 4. PUBLIC HEARING 4.1 LANDS OF DORRICOTT, 26710 Birch Hill Way: A request for a Site Development Permit and Variance to allow a Sport Court to encroach into �. the rear yard setback and for the sport court fence to exceed the allowed height in the setback. Planning Commission Minutes APPROVED July 8, 1992 Page 3 Ms. Niles introduced this item. The Site Development Permit and Variance are requested to allow the addition of a Sport Court on a property that is currently developed with a single family home. The development on site is currently over the allowed floor area and development area for the lot. The MFA allowed of 3,311 sq. ft. is exceeded by 1,489 sq. ft., and the MDA allowed of 5,930 sq. ft. is exceeded by 7,215 sq. ft. The applicant is requesting that the Planning Commission review the request for a variance to the MDA in order to satisfy a soils engineers recommendation for treatment of a repaired slide area on the lot. Due to the past problems with slides in the area, and based on the recommendation from the applicant's soils engineers, if supported by the Town's geologist, staff feels that the findings may be able to be made to allow an impervious surface to encroach further than the allowed 5' into the setback, a preventative measure only and not for an active use. However, staff does not feel that the findings can be made to allow the impervious surface to be used as a sport court which would concentrate more activity and noise generation closer to the residence on the adjoining property to the north. Additionally, staff does not recommend that a variance be granted for the fence height in the setback. Fences are allowed to extend up to 6' in height in the rear yard setback. The applicant was requesting a 10' high fence. OPEN PUBLIC HEARING Bob Dorricott presented background information regarding the house and decking around the pool. Structure was built in early 20's and was advised not to plant grass due to 150 ft. driveway. He indicated he had received a letter from a neighbor regarding privacy. Mr. Dorricott felt there was no problem because the previous pool house was higher than the proposed sports court. Commissioner Ellinger questioned whether the fence was temporary and Mr. Dorricott replied no. Also mentioned he had applied for a 10' fence, however, only needs a 6'. Tad Cody, Soils Engineer, stated the total area of the house does conform to ordinance. Also the drains are there now and it does not matter what impervious surface is used. Susan Jordon, 12600 Viscaino, has property below the Dorricott's. She asked for postponement of decision as other neighbor is on vacation and would like to be heard. Mrs. Jordon presented photos. She is also concerned about landslides and noise from the sport court. She would like something less obtrusive than a sport court. Planning Commission Minutes APPROVED July 8, 1992 Page 4 Chairman Pahl mentioned that a sport court would create a solution to the soil problem. Commissioner Comiso expressed to Mrs. Jordon that all the Commissioners are concerned with drainage and assured her that drainage is a number one concern and staff would make sure the drainage was appropriate before issuance of a building permit. Commissioner Ellinger asked Mrs. Jordon if she was concerned about being near construction or what is being constructed and/or concerned about drainage. The sport court would be less area than the previous pool house. Mrs. Jordan stated she would like to see something less obtrusive. CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING Chairman Pahl felt this was one of the few variances the Commission would approve. The hard pack is okay and the Dorricotts would do the improved surface anyway. Also felt it was less obtrusive than the previous pool house. Commissioner Ellinger discussed items 1 through 4 in the Staff Report MOTION SECONDED AND PASSED: Motion by Ellinger and seconded by Comiso to approve the Variance to allow a sport court to encroach into the rear yard setback subject to the condition that the drainage and civil engineering will be approved to the Town's satisfaction and to take the fence out of discussion entirely. This will also include standard landscape conditions and check on tree removal. AYES: Chairman Pahl, Commissioners Cheng, Comiso, Ellinger, Schreiner, Sinunu & Stutz NOES: None This item will be set for the consent calendar for the City Council Meeting of July 15, 1992. 4.2 LANDS OF SCHARFETTER, 13373 La Cresta Drive; a request for a conditional development permit for a deck extension. Ms. Niles introduced this item noting that the Conditional Development Permit is requested to allow a 156" x 25' addition to an existing lower redwood deck supported on piers above ground level at the rear of the existing structure. The purpose of the deck addition is to accommodate an 8'x 8' spa. The addition has been carefully located so as to provide as much privacy for the Scharfetter's as possible, and will be designed in conformance with recommendations in the geotechnical review by William Cotton and Associates for the main dwelling that Planning Commission Minutes APPROVED July 8, 1992 Page 5 was approved by the Planning Commission on January 13, 1988. The required landscaping for the main dwelling has been almost completely installed, with the landscaping around this area just waiting for the deck approval before installation. It should totally screen the addition from any off-site view. OPEN PUBLIC HEARING Mr. Scharfetter stated he had looked around for a solution for the spa and what was decided upon would blend in very well. Also, neighbors had no objection. Commissioner Schreiner asked Mr. Scharfetter if it were possible to cut into existing decking and the reply was no. CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING Commissioner Sinunu stated he had visited the site and found it all fit nicely. MOTION SECONDED AND PASSED: Motion by Ellinger and seconded by Comiso to approve Conditional Development Permit subject to the following recommended conditions of approval: 4 1. The plans shall be re -reviewed by William Cotton and Associates prior to issuance of a building permit for conformance with the recommendations set forth in the William Cotton report dated October 29, 1987. 2. The site drainage must be designed to meet the goal of reducing the rate of run off associated with the proposed development. A grading and drainage plan shall be submitted to the City Engineer for review and approval prior to issuance of a building permit. 3. The planting required on the original approval shall be planted prior to final inspection approval for the deck. AYES: Chairman Pahl, Commissioners Cheng, Comiso, Ellinger, Schreiner, Sinunu & Stutz NOES: None This item will be set for the consent calendar for the City Council Meeting of July 15, 1992. Commission took brief break at 9:05 p.m Planning Commission Minutes APPROVED July 8, 1992 Page 6 4.3 LANDS OF BELLUCCI, (Adobe Creek Estates) Moody Road: A request for Condition Amendments to Track 8207 regarding proposed redesign of creek improvements; modifications to pathway improvements; and improvement completion timing requirements. Ms. Niles introduced this item stating that on January 27, 1992, Mr. David Bellucci wrote a letter to the City Council stating his concerns about the Town's policies on the issuance of building permits, site development permits and the completion of subdivision improvements. Mr. Bellucci stated that former Town Staff had indicated building permits could be obtained on all of the lots prior to the completion of the subdivision improvements. Current staff informed Mr. Bellucci that this could not be done since the subdivision conditions of approval (COA's) specifically prohibited the issuance of building permits prior to the completion of certain subdivision improvements. A request was also made for clarification of COA numbers 10, 18a, 18b, 18e, 28 and 33 when such conditions conflicted with each other. COA's 18 a, b, e and 33 dealt with creek design issues such as hydraulic capacity, type of armoring and the riparian planting plan for the creek channel. Condition 28 required the installation of gravity drains in the old landslide that was mapped on 40 the property by the applicant's geotechnical engineer. COA 10 required removal of a well easement that was within the boundaries of the proposed public right -of way. Mr. Bellucci is requesting a modification to Conditions of Approval on the Adobe Creek Estates project. Ms. Niles stated that they are dealing with two issues; allowance of modification of approved design for creek channel and the timing of allowance of issuance of building permit. The Council is still recommending the creek design be completed prior of issuance of building permits. The design issue may be discussed. The recommendation from Santa Clara Valley Water District is heavy bolder armoring Commissioner Comiso mentioned that the Council does not agree with what Santa Clara Valley Water District recommends. Ms. Niles stated that Council recommends more natural riparian habitat whereas SCVWD and Fish and Game recommendation was a major rock lined ditch at a much greater distance in width than the riparian. Mr. Bellucci is requesting a modification to the rock lined ditch to allow total riparian and staff recommends a compromise plan offering something that would allow some of the riparian and some of the armoring necessary for the creek channel that the Water District can support. Planning Commission Minutes APPROVED July 8, 1992 46 Page 7 Commissioner Comiso asked if whatever they ultimately decide can it satisfy Fish and Game and the SCVWD? Ms. Niles stated that is what we are trying to achieve, however, the SCVWD cannot support total riparian improvements in the creek. Chairman Pahl asked who has jurisdiction? Do we have the power to veto their decision or do they have power to veto ours? Ms. Niles answered it goes both ways. The District would be able to say that if we approved a design that was straight riparian that they could not approve, they would ask the Town to take over the responsibility of maintenance and improvement for that section of the creek. PASSED BY CONSENSUS: To open public hearing and divide the public hearing into two phases. The first phase is to consider only items 17-19 and 21-25 allowing building permits being issued prior to completion of all site work. OPEN PUBLIC HEARING Mr. Bellucci discussed the creek design. He has submitted riparian planting plans for the creek channel and banks prepared by a landscape architect. He would like to see natural vegetation. Regarding building permits, he thought there should not be a problem issuing building permits prior to completion of the project. Mark Helton, Civil Engineer, Giuliani & Kull, asked if the Commission had received a letter from John Hansen dated July 7, 1992, which the Commission acknowledged receipt. The letter discussed John's conversation with Bill Ekern regarding building permits prior to completion of the subdivision. He asked if it were possible to compromise and issue building permits for only the lots already sold. That would be four lots out of ten. Mr. Bellucci stated that the only thing left to put in now is the paving which will be put in Friday and the pathway has to be put inside the cul-de-sac, the landscaping and balance of the fill. Mark Helton indicated that within the week they anticipate getting the final go ahead from Staff to proceed with the Francemont Bridge. Hopefully by the end of August the bridge will be finished. Mr. Belllucci stated he didn't understand the concern. This project has been going on for as long as his project, its bonded, and the project has been submitted to staff and this has been back and forth between agencies. The only thing holding this up �. is that the agencies are not giving approval to move forward with the work. Planning Commission Minutes APPROVED July 8, 1992 Page 8 Ms. Niles responded stating the improvements have not been completed on the project. The bridge does need to be in to accommodate those lots or there needs to be another access agreed upon and supplied for access to those lots. Mr. Bellucci is correct in that most of these have been bonded, however, if we allow building permits to be pulled on a project where the improvements have not been completed and there is not access and Mr. Bellucci disappears, the Town would be held responsible for cashing the bonds and doing the improvements themselves. She discussed other items listed in the staff report and suggested Don Kiang from Wilsey and Ham help go over the conditions. Beverly Brockway, 23215 Mora Glen Drive, Realtor, speaking on behalf of Mr. Hansen, stated Mr. Hansen indicated he would be moving through as quickly as possible to pull building permits. She does not remember the date, however, the City Council indicated it was fine to go ahead and start the processing of this and things could move ahead as long as the major items in the subdivision were completed and what she would like to see happen is to be able to have building permits pulled but have no occupancy. Bob Stutz, Vice -Chairman Pathway Committee, would like the pathway along Moody in place before any construction starts. 041 W Mark Clemensik, Santa Clara Valley Water District, 5750 Almaden Expressway, stated his concern is the creek as it is a major condition and that should be considered before building permits issued. It is a major improvement. Of concern is to have the developer complete improvements before building is completed. Commissioner Ellinger stated if there is a modification of this creek design that not only the Town would have to exercise on bonds but in the event the two other agencies do not agree, the Town may pick up an open ended obligation for maintenance. He asked Mark Clemensik if that were true and he responded it could be true, if they did not accept the easement, they would not maintain that section of the channel. Commissioner Comiso asked Mark Clemensik how we can get together to resolve this problem. It seems to be the biggest stumbling block. Commissioner Stutz asked Mr. Clemensik if it were true that Los Altos Hills has total control over all the creeks unless they have been dedicated to SCVWD. The reply was no. Mr. Clemensik stated they have jurisdiction over most of the creeks in the Town of Los Altos Hills, however, that does not mean they have right of way to enter into that creek and do any maintenance work but does have jurisdiction over all activities that take place in the creek within 50 ft. from the top of the bank under their ordinance and all work done on the creek requires a permit. Commission Stutz also asked if he had read the article in the Chronicle regarding riparian creeks? The reply was no. She suggested he should. Planning Commission Minutes APPROVED July 8, 1992 Page 9 CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING Chairman Pahl's suggestion: to table the discussion on the request to allow building permits to be issued prior to completion of improvements, and have it brought back at the exact meeting which the first application for Site Development on one of these lots comes to this body. At that point they will be in a much better situation to know what has been done on the property, what has not been done on the property and what needs to be done. Commissioner Ellinger does not like the idea of entertaining into a discussion of overturning what is a Council direction and does not know why it cannot stand as it is. He does not feel they have to issue building permit especially when dealing with this level of an improvement. Commissioner Comiso would like to see more work done on the creek before talking about any building permits and feels that tabling this motion will accomplish this in a much faster mode and would like to see that done before voting on this. ( MOTION SECONDED AND PASSED: Motion by Comiso, seconded by Ellinger to fir, table the request to allow building permits to come in until the first Site Development packet comes before the Planning Commission. It would allow the Commission to see what major work has and has not been done. AYES: Chairman Pahl, Commissioners Cheng, Comiso, Ellinger, Sinunu, Schreiner & Stutz NOES: None Chairman Pahl stated that the remaining part of this is to modify a series of conditions; 17, 18e, 25 and 33. OPEN PUBLIC HEARING Mr. Bellucci, replying to 18e, stated the staff recommends concurrence. Also discussed Condition 25 Type IIB pathway. With regards to Condition 33, mapping of the creek channel, stated he will leave that to the experts. Mark Helton, Civil Engineer, Giuliani & Kull, discussed condition 17, handling of 100 year storm. Stated when the Council saw the size and the creek channel design, what they had accepted was something along the line of what already is existing. When you go to the 100 year storm, what you end up with is a channel that is now t 48 feet wide, 7 1/2 feet deep and if it were rock lined it would look like one of those $ Los Angeles flood ways. Planning Commission Minutes APPROVED July 8, 1992 Page 10 Commissioner Comiso agreed that they did not like what is proposed but the Water District said they are willing to look at other things. What is needed here is some kind of sub committee to get all the parties together and look into this. Commissioner Pahl asked Mr. Helton if they would be willing to accept a subcommittee made up of one person from the Planning Commission, City Council, Santa Clara Water District, Mr. Bellucci and his representative to come up with a plan. Mr. Bellucci stated that he was been all through this before with the Town Planner, City Engineer, Bill Eckern, and his engineers and it gets back to either artificial armored creek or a natural creek. Ms. Hardesty has prepared a plan that he would like the Commission to review. Regarding the Water District, they want it there way and when discussing this with the City Council, Barbara Tryon indicated that the difference between the two is that if the Town wants the Water District to maintain the creek you have to build it the way they want it. Would prefer it going back to Council. Nancy Hardesty, Hardesty Associates Landscape Architects, presented plans and discussed in detail plans to replant the creek. `r Commissioner Ellinger asked what the planting would do to reduce the water velocity going through the Adobe River. Asked if she had designed this 48 ft. wide river? Mark Helton replied it was a combination between their plan and the SCVWD. He sat down with their design division and worked it out on a computer. Using the computer run it tells you what the velocities are using the quarter ton rock and tells you how fast and how slow the river runs and that is how it was designed. Commissioner Comiso asked Mark Helton if these plans have been shown to SCVWD and he replied that they had been shown three years ago and they were rejected and stated they would not be acceptable plans today. Commissioner Ellinger asked Mr. Helton if he thinks with this plan as a start he could reach a conclusion on the design that would satisfy the intent of what the Water District is trying to do? Mark Helton replied no, he does not think he can satisfy both the City Council and Santa Clara Valley Water District because the Town Council will want to see trees and natural vegetation and never wants to see rock there from the beginning of the project to the end. Chairman Pahl asked of Mark Clemensik, SCVWD, if this body would recommend 460 a committee with representatives from the Town, Staff, our Engineer, would Santa Clara Valley Water District meaningfully participate? Planning Commission Minutes APPROVED July 8, 1992 Page I1 Mr. Helton replied yes they would participate meaningfully and would follow sound engineering judgment and principles and would not take any risk in any new process like the willow tree option on the bottom because he thinks it would cause more erosion problems. Don Kiang, Civil Engineer with Wilsey and Ham, replacing Jeff Peterson who is on vacation would like to bring up one point; that they do not recommend that the Town incur any liability in construction of the creek. We are hoping that SCVWD will review the project and will maintain it. The EPA is looking very closely at what is happening in the Bay. In the future they will come back and look at the reviewing agency and where the problems lay. The other point is that the 100 year flows are very high and will be approaching 18' per second and the 25 year flow will be 10' per second and if we get back to a 3 year flow it is down around 3' to 6' per second. These are tolerable flow rates for something that is vegetated with riparian but we would not be able to mitigate it for any higher flow rates. The compromise solution that Jeff proposed for the Town was to go ahead and put in rock rip rap and fill in the voids between the rocks with soil and to vegetate this with drought tolerant planting so that we can handle the 3 year flows, however, anything higher it probably would not hold. If it does indeed wash away there has to be some sort of maintenance agreement with the SCVWD and the Town and the developer that they would go back and replace the voids. What we are doing is setting up a maintenance agreement where we replace the vegetation and in the event a higher flood occurs then we will have to go back in and do this on an interim bases. The whole idea is that we be able to protect the creek for this high flood but be able to mitigate for the small flow rates and that in essence is what Jeff Peterson had in his compromise solution. He still believes this is the solution that would be acceptable by both the District and the Hydraulic Engineers. We have not changed our position on this. Commissioner Comiso stated they cannot design the creek tonight. We are getting new things all the time and we have to have a start and finish to this and a sub committee has to be the way to do this. Either we do it at the sub committee level and if we cannot come up with something then Council will have to decide. Carol Gottlieb, 24290 Summerhill, Pathways Committee, 10 to 12 years ago we had such a hard rain that at the west bridge it had to be re -built and at that point Moody Road narrowed down to a one lane rock road and it was wiped out because of the water coming down Adobe. Mr. Bellucci discussed rock lining again. Really wants to complete this. Suggests passing it back to Council. Planning Commission Minutes APPROVED July 8, 1992 Page 12 CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING Commissioner Stutz would like to send this back to Council. She would like to go ahead with condition 17 were it states "riparian vegetation rather than artificial armoring" recommend to the City Council that we feel this may be the best solution for the creek there. MOTION SECONDED AND FAILED: Motion by Stutz, seconded by Cheng to send to Council with riparian amendments.. AYES: Stutz NOES: Cheng, Comiso, Ellinger, Sinunu, Schreiner and Pahl Substitute motion by Commissioner Comiso to put together a sub -committee with representatives from City Council, SCVWD, Mr. Bellucci and his Engineering representative, the Town representative, member of the Environmental Design and Pathway Committee to study and come back with a recommendation. Seconded by Commissioner Schreiner. Commissioner Ellinger would like to charge this committee with the task of reaching an agreement on a recommendation and if they cannot reach an agreement that satisfies all the requirements, to come back with their best proposal if it satisfies the 75 year flood or the 50 year flood but he wants to see what the best work is that can be done by the committee even if it doesn't satisfy all the requirements. This committee is to report back to the Planning Commission by September 9, 1992 or earlier. All agreed that the committee is to report back no later than September 9th and this be part of the motion. Moved, seconded, amendment and seconded: AYES: Chairman Pahl, and Commissioners Cheng, Comiso, Ellinger, Sinunu, Stutz & Schreiner NOES: None Chairman Pahl discussed recommendation asking Ms. Niles to inform City Council of recommendation. Commissioner Schreiner volunteered to be the representative for the Planning Commission. OPEN PUBLIC HEARING Left to be discussed are 18e, 25 and 33. Planning Commission Minutes APPROVED July 8, 1992 f Page 13 Mr. Bellucci discussed 18e which is 2' berm which has been replaced with 5' fill all over the property. #25 is requesting that the pathway parallel to Moody Road at creek level be Type I path which it is already. Also wants to use treated Douglas Fir instead of Redwood, #33 is report from Ms. Hardsety. Commissioner Schreiner expressed concern that the pathway over the roadway be roughened. Will be putting fill on other side to slope it down and will cut berm. She also has to agree with the Pathway Committee that a Type IIB pathway should be required. Mr. Bellucci disagrees with this condition. Carol Gottlieb, Pathway Committee Member, is concerned with how pathway is ramped to the bridges and the pathway coming into the property from Francemont looks like it goes out onto Moody and thinks there is enough area there that when the new bridge is built the pathway has to be off road as it goes down into the tow of the slope. Secondly, where the dirt is being dumped some of the tree roots are going to be damaged and feels the trees should be boxed along the path. She feels some of these items need to be discussed by Pathway Committee first and it has not been done. Still feels that path needs header boards to prevent encroachment. Bob Stutz feels strongly about having the path a Type IIB. Chairman Pahl suggested Carol and the Pathway Committee meet with Mr. Bellucci �av to discuss the path. Bob Stutz does not want to see Mr. Bellucci using Douglas Firs for header boards because it does not last as long as redwood. CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING MOTION SECONDED AND PASSED: Motion by Commissioner Comiso and seconded by Commissioner Cheng to accept Staff's recommendations regarding 18e. AYES: Chairman Pahl, Commissioners Cheng, Comiso, Ellinger, Schreiner, Sinunu and Stutz NOES: None MOTION SECONDED AND PASSED: Motion by Commissioner Comiso and seconded by Commissioner Ellinger regarding Condition #25, to hear from the Pathway Committee who will meet with Mr. Bellucci before making any kind of an agreement and have them report back to the Planning Commission as soon as possible. AYES: Chairman Pahl, Commissioners Cheng, Comiso, Ellinger, Schreiner, Sinunu and Stutz NOES: None Planning Commission Minutes APPROVED July 8, 1992 Page 14 Regarding Condition #33, no action needed as it will be part of the review of the design options by the Committee on #17. This will appear on the Consent Calendar for the City Council July 15, 1992. 5. NEW 13USINESS 5.1 Request on site visit for applicant Lands of Lohr. Special meeting at 6:45 p.m. will be convened on the site and will be reconvened at regular scheduled meeting time at 7:30 p.m. in Chambers. 5.2 Chairman Pahl brought up General Plan. He understands the Council would like the Planning Commission to look at it. Asked Ms. Niles if the City Council indicated when they will be looking into the mining part the Commission created for them. Ms. Niles stated she would check with them on Wednesday. Also asked if the Council addressed Commission compensation and asked Ms. Niles to bring it up. 6. OLD BUSINESS .... 7. APPROVAL OF MEETING MINUTES ERQM PLANNING CQMMISSION MEETING QF TUNE 10, 7.1 Approved with modifications on page 3 ; Motion; Chairman Noel and Commissioner Stutz voted NOES. Also on page 3, corrected second paragraph to read "would not" rather than "would it". MOTION SECONDED AND PASSED: Motion by Commissioner Comiso and seconded by Commissioner Stutz. AYES: Chairman Pahl, Commissioners Comiso Cheng, & Stutz NOES: None ABSTAIN: Ellinger, Schreiner & Simmu 8. C'OMMISSIONER'S COMMENTS No comments. 9. REPORT FROM SITE DEVELOPMENT MEETING OF NNE 23 1992 9.1 LANDS OF BEESON, 12320 Page Mill Road: A request for a Site ib. Development Permit for Landscape Plantings. Approved with the addition of more trees to screen the view of the house Planning Commission Minutes APPROVED July 8, 1992 E Page 15 9.2 LANDS OF FINN, 12000 Finn Lane: A request for a Site Development Permit for Lighting. Continued to alloy the applicant to submit corrected plans that show all outdoor lighting. Will request copies of lighting from Mr. Finn. 9.3 LANDS OF FINN, 12002 Finn Lane: Permit for Landscape Plantings and ligh 10. for a Site Development Ms. Niles stated the Lands of Ratnam was left on consent and variance was granted. Commissioner Comiso requested a copy of the City Council Minutes regarding the Ratnam's which Ms. Niles will provide. Chairman Pahl stated it was his understanding from Commissioner Schreiner that there was information presented to the Council that was not presented to the Planning Commission regarding the Harslem/Clasquin Variance. He understood there is a Council policy which apparently is not being followed that if an applicant presents information different to the Council then presented to the Planning Commission that it is to be returned to the Planning Commission so a complete application can be reviewed. Commissioner Schreiner would like to amend that statement since nothing was said at the Planning Commission level that addressed safety and the Commission never heard anything on safety. The whole variance actually was based on that it was a structural safety problems. Ms. Niles stated the applicant presented a slide that showed the structural supports for the project at the City Council meeting that was not at the Planning Commission meeting. The City Council asked the applicant to come back with additional information and the variance was granted. She will mention this to Council. Chairman Pahl is concerned that this is not the first time this has happened. Ms. Niles stated the City Council would like a Planning Commissioner to attend City Council meetings. Commissioner Cheng volunteered to attend the July 15, 1992 meeting and a future schedule will be forthcoming. Planning Commission Minutes APPROVED July 8, 1992 Page 16 11. ADIOURNMENT The meeting was adjourned by consensus at 11:30 p.m. Respectfully submitted, Lani Lonberger Planning Secretary